Comments on: The right time to lower the flag http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/ Observations about China from beyond the Middle Kingdom Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:42:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alex Williams http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-299 Alex Williams Sat, 24 May 2008 04:27:40 +0000 http://foundinchina.com/?p=97#comment-299 Stu,the authority blocks the BBC CHINESE SITE,www.bbc.co.uk/chinese/,lol.and dya think who will be the Rulling party?conservative and his leader David Cameron could take over from Labor Party? Mon,thnx 4 yr comment,and i have 2 say,the chinese pro-ccp 's writer LuXun,he criticised the chinese,and u know the element figure A Q which he created,huh?yep,he could do it,why cant i?People shud say the truth words,i dont wanna be a coward,and ignore the chinese Bad qualities.Just so u know,i ve read a lot of books and reports when i was 15 yrs old,and i know the truth history of my own country,not full of glory and holy stories as the national textbooks,dya know that?Further,the freedom&democracy is people shud fightin for,not waitin 4.At last,i recommand a man 2 u,Hushih,u ve 2 know who he is,but not sure what he did or what he claimed,hes a kool man,take a shot,read sum books of him,okay?lol,anyway,have a nice day. Stu,the authority blocks the BBC CHINESE SITE,www.bbc.co.uk/chinese/,lol.and dya think who will be the Rulling party?conservative and his leader David Cameron could take over from Labor Party?

Mon,thnx 4 yr comment,and i have 2 say,the chinese pro-ccp ’s writer LuXun,he criticised the chinese,and u know the element figure A Q which he created,huh?yep,he could do it,why cant i?People shud say the truth words,i dont wanna be a coward,and ignore the chinese Bad qualities.Just so u know,i ve read a lot of books and reports when i was 15 yrs old,and i know the truth history of my own country,not full of glory and holy stories as the national textbooks,dya know that?Further,the freedom&democracy is people shud fightin for,not waitin 4.At last,i recommand a man 2 u,Hushih,u ve 2 know who he is,but not sure what he did or what he claimed,hes a kool man,take a shot,read sum books of him,okay?lol,anyway,have a nice day.

]]> By: stuart http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-298 stuart Sat, 24 May 2008 02:32:55 +0000 http://foundinchina.com/?p=97#comment-298 Alex - the BBC can be accessed without a proxy for the time being. As for the schools that collapsed <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/21/asia/AS-GEN-China-Earthquake-Intact-Schools.php" rel="nofollow">in seconds</a> , the government need to be transparent in acknowledging that thousands of children and students died as a direct result of corrupt practices. Alex – the BBC can be accessed without a proxy for the time being.

As for the schools that collapsed in seconds , the government need to be transparent in acknowledging that thousands of children and students died as a direct result of corrupt practices.

]]> By: Monica http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-296 Monica Sat, 24 May 2008 00:33:15 +0000 http://foundinchina.com/?p=97#comment-296 Alex, People do need democracy and speech freedom in China, but that will be a long process to go. Our culture and history background are totally from Westerns', so do our people's ideas. You can say they need to learn more about this world but you can't deny them. It is better to help them than criticize or deny them. There are indeed many problems in China, especially corruption. People know clearly about that and want to have these problems solved insteading of just being criticized. Anyway, there is a long way we have to go. Alex,

People do need democracy and speech freedom in China, but that will be a long process to go. Our culture and history background are totally from Westerns’, so do our people’s ideas. You can say they need to learn more about this world but you can’t deny them. It is better to help them than criticize or deny them.

There are indeed many problems in China, especially corruption. People know clearly about that and want to have these problems solved insteading of just being criticized.

Anyway, there is a long way we have to go.

]]> By: Alex http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-294 Alex Fri, 23 May 2008 09:34:40 +0000 http://foundinchina.com/?p=97#comment-294 thnx 4 the responsed mate well,actually,ive soo many friends, they have the common opinions and critical thinkings wif me lol.i know sum madness people, such as students in universities, theyr fond of western commerical stuffs but have no interested in western political operations or western cultures, for instance,Reasoning, justice, democrat election, Multi-party system, freedom speeches, independent thinking, citizen society, NGO,etc. whys that? cuz the ccp's Propaganda machines ,cencorship,they control citizens minds,as we know,only Nazi or communists did that! stu,im a chiristian,so I believe in peaceful and Humane but also i believe in democracy and freedom, i heard bout some chinese said china dont need liberal democracies like western ,thats absurd,turn the sights to Taiwan(R.O.C.),they r also chinese,even they open up been 21 years from 1987,they did better,so democracy is the Universal values,doesnt it? And recently,insane students demonstrated and the angry full of media,especially the state runs media,as my opinion,its not the first,soo i think its nonsence,dont terrified,they are Mobs,just as the Boxers(yihetuan),and so called Cultural Revolution. And we all know what chinese authority did in Sudan, weapon 4 benifits and 200,000 died per year, as Myanmer military clique 's best Ally,which ignored the people's bad situations,why chinese know nothing bout that?The reason is most of them have no RIGHTS 2 read CNN,BBC, or VOA news or cable tv,ccp blocked.what a pity.above all,i appreciate u guys from western r focus on chinese human rights,and without western's supports,china gonna be dark and closed.the history proved.we neeed open up .at last i think freedom and democracy are all we need not just for chinese but also 4 the world.ps pray 4 people died in Sichuan quake, however,I read news from BBC Chinese site by Proxy,which said the students building which not collapsed are all HONG KONG built, it just means that the corruption is soo serious in PRC,at least the local authority never ever regarded the students lives. thnx 4 the responsed mate
well,actually,ive soo many friends, they have the common opinions and critical thinkings wif me lol.i know sum madness people, such as students in universities, theyr fond of western commerical stuffs but have no interested in western political operations or western cultures, for instance,Reasoning, justice, democrat election, Multi-party system, freedom speeches, independent thinking, citizen society, NGO,etc. whys that? cuz the ccp’s Propaganda machines ,cencorship,they control citizens minds,as we know,only Nazi or communists did that!
stu,im a chiristian,so I believe in peaceful and Humane but also i believe in democracy and freedom, i heard bout some chinese said china dont need liberal democracies like western ,thats absurd,turn the sights to Taiwan(R.O.C.),they r also chinese,even they open up been 21 years from 1987,they did better,so democracy is the Universal values,doesnt it?
And recently,insane students demonstrated and the angry full of media,especially the state runs media,as my opinion,its not the first,soo i think its nonsence,dont terrified,they are Mobs,just as the Boxers(yihetuan),and so called Cultural Revolution. And we all know what chinese authority did in Sudan, weapon 4 benifits and 200,000 died per year, as Myanmer military clique ’s best Ally,which ignored the people’s bad situations,why chinese know nothing bout that?The reason is most of them have no RIGHTS 2 read CNN,BBC, or VOA news or cable tv,ccp blocked.what a pity.above all,i appreciate u guys from western r focus on chinese human rights,and without western’s supports,china gonna be dark and closed.the history proved.we neeed open up .at last i think freedom and democracy are all we need not just for chinese but also 4 the world.ps pray 4 people died in Sichuan quake, however,I read news from BBC Chinese site by Proxy,which said the students building which not collapsed are all HONG KONG built, it just means that the corruption is soo serious in PRC,at least the local authority never ever regarded the students lives.

]]> By: stuart http://foundinchina.com/2008/05/21/the-right-time-to-lower-the-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-293 stuart Thu, 22 May 2008 10:22:17 +0000 http://foundinchina.com/?p=97#comment-293 "Then, why do you always mention 89’s affair which is becoming history too?" Everything past can be regarded as history. But there is acknowledged history and there is denied history. Japanese war crimes are a matter of public record and open to discussion. Tian'anmen '89 is hidden behind a wall of enforced CCP silence. Further, the Japanese people are not those that committed atrocities 70 years ago, whereas many of those that walked the corridors of power in China 19 years ago are still there today. And the party responsible for an act of cold-blooded brutality against its own people are still (very firmly) in control. If, as you say, the government is changing its attitude this is the perfect time to express that change with the deepest act of humility and regret for those murdered on the orders of their predecessors. Such is their overwhelming popularity right now, they really can't lose. An apology would be asking too much of the face-conscious CCP, but a quiet, unannounced lowering of the flag would bring to the Chinese leaders universal admiration. And they wouldn't have to say a word. No loss of face; no deviation from the party line; just one simple act of symbolic beauty. “Then, why do you always mention 89’s affair which is becoming history too?”

Everything past can be regarded as history. But there is acknowledged history and there is denied history. Japanese war crimes are a matter of public record and open to discussion. Tian’anmen ‘89 is hidden behind a wall of enforced CCP silence.

Further, the Japanese people are not those that committed atrocities 70 years ago, whereas many of those that walked the corridors of power in China 19 years ago are still there today. And the party responsible for an act of cold-blooded brutality against its own people are still (very firmly) in control.

If, as you say, the government is changing its attitude this is the perfect time to express that change with the deepest act of humility and regret for those murdered on the orders of their predecessors.

Such is their overwhelming popularity right now, they really can’t lose. An apology would be asking too much of the face-conscious CCP, but a quiet, unannounced lowering of the flag would bring to the Chinese leaders universal admiration. And they wouldn’t have to say a word. No loss of face; no deviation from the party line; just one simple act of symbolic beauty.

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