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		<title>By: stuart</title>
		<link>http://foundinchina.com/2008/08/26/a-truly-exceptional-games/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Certainly not during the 2008 Euro tournament because England did not qualify.&quot;

A state of affairs that Chinese soccer fans are all too familiar with. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Certainly not during the 2008 Euro tournament because England did not qualify.&#8221;</p>
<p>A state of affairs that Chinese soccer fans are all too familiar with. <img src='http://foundinchina.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pffefer</title>
		<link>http://foundinchina.com/2008/08/26/a-truly-exceptional-games/comment-page-1/#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Pffefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How would you say that silly British taunt compares with the often voiced ‘little Japan’ jibe here in China?&quot;

 ??????How many times have we witnesses the little Japan jibe and how many times have seen seen the English fans beating the crap out of some German fans? Certainly not during the 2008 Euro tournament because England did not qualify. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How would you say that silly British taunt compares with the often voiced ‘little Japan’ jibe here in China?&#8221;</p>
<p> ??????How many times have we witnesses the little Japan jibe and how many times have seen seen the English fans beating the crap out of some German fans? Certainly not during the 2008 Euro tournament because England did not qualify. <img src='http://foundinchina.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pffefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pffefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chinese soldiers will see armed conflict/intervention on foreign soil in the next decade. Yes, we have a bet. &quot;

They have already seen armed conflicts/interventions, as part of the UN peacekeeping force in several places (Haiti, East Timor, Lebanon etc.). 

&quot;Britain DID invent it and gave it as gift to the people of China. The ping pong seats will be filled to capacity because, even without tourists, there are close to a million sons and daughters of the Motherland in the UK.&quot;

So you are saying, without those Chinese spectators chances are you will have a lot of empty seats? 

&quot;Seriously, pffefer, did you watch with the volume down? The reception was distinctly cool by comparison to that of other nations.&quot;

As far as I can remember, only a handful of countries other than China received very loud applause (Iraq, the US, Pakistan, North Korea etc.). Britain was not treated any differently than the majority of the rest of the 200+ countries were. So? Why are you even complaining? 

&quot;It was unprecedented, and I applaud the Chinese judges for having the courage to reverse a popular, but incorrect, verdict. How they missed the two-point head shot delivered to Chen in the first place is more of a mystery. And without the appeal, a great injustice would have been done.&quot;

So? These things happen and happen all the time (think about all that could happen in a soccer game) and after all this was the FIRST time a decision (which is supposed to be final) was reversed. The Chinese did the right thing and conceded after the protest was filed, what more do you want? 

&quot;These things happen whenever there’s a degree of subjectivity and raucous home support. I wouldn’t call it cheating unless it could be proved the judges were bribed, and I’m not suggesting that.&quot;

If you are not suggesting that, then why bringing it up? You are not suggesting but implying, perhaps? 

&quot;The truly unsporting part of this saga came when the crowd were informed of the reversal (they must have seen the head shot as well), and more especially in the dreadful reception and intimidation dished out to Stevenson (?) during both the repechage and her bronze medal match.&quot;

I don&#039;t know how knowledgable the average spectator is regarding Taekwondo rules. Clearly the crowds were not happy that Chen Zhong got shafted, thanks to the British girl&#039;s protest. Naturally they blamed her. Nothing personal though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chinese soldiers will see armed conflict/intervention on foreign soil in the next decade. Yes, we have a bet. &#8221;</p>
<p>They have already seen armed conflicts/interventions, as part of the UN peacekeeping force in several places (Haiti, East Timor, Lebanon etc.). </p>
<p>&#8220;Britain DID invent it and gave it as gift to the people of China. The ping pong seats will be filled to capacity because, even without tourists, there are close to a million sons and daughters of the Motherland in the UK.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you are saying, without those Chinese spectators chances are you will have a lot of empty seats? </p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously, pffefer, did you watch with the volume down? The reception was distinctly cool by comparison to that of other nations.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I can remember, only a handful of countries other than China received very loud applause (Iraq, the US, Pakistan, North Korea etc.). Britain was not treated any differently than the majority of the rest of the 200+ countries were. So? Why are you even complaining? </p>
<p>&#8220;It was unprecedented, and I applaud the Chinese judges for having the courage to reverse a popular, but incorrect, verdict. How they missed the two-point head shot delivered to Chen in the first place is more of a mystery. And without the appeal, a great injustice would have been done.&#8221;</p>
<p>So? These things happen and happen all the time (think about all that could happen in a soccer game) and after all this was the FIRST time a decision (which is supposed to be final) was reversed. The Chinese did the right thing and conceded after the protest was filed, what more do you want? </p>
<p>&#8220;These things happen whenever there’s a degree of subjectivity and raucous home support. I wouldn’t call it cheating unless it could be proved the judges were bribed, and I’m not suggesting that.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are not suggesting that, then why bringing it up? You are not suggesting but implying, perhaps? </p>
<p>&#8220;The truly unsporting part of this saga came when the crowd were informed of the reversal (they must have seen the head shot as well), and more especially in the dreadful reception and intimidation dished out to Stevenson (?) during both the repechage and her bronze medal match.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how knowledgable the average spectator is regarding Taekwondo rules. Clearly the crowds were not happy that Chen Zhong got shafted, thanks to the British girl&#8217;s protest. Naturally they blamed her. Nothing personal though.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In fact the deservedly bad reputation of British football fans has everything to do with nationalism (as well as too much beer) - ‘two world wars and one world cup do da do da….”&quot;

Yes, MW, there is bad sportsmanship and hostile crowds outside China as well.

How would you say that silly British taunt compares with the often voiced &#039;little Japan&#039; jibe here in China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact the deservedly bad reputation of British football fans has everything to do with nationalism (as well as too much beer) &#8211; ‘two world wars and one world cup do da do da….”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, MW, there is bad sportsmanship and hostile crowds outside China as well.</p>
<p>How would you say that silly British taunt compares with the often voiced &#8216;little Japan&#8217; jibe here in China?</p>
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		<title>By: Mongol Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongol Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart: get real. You are picking up on one or two things. &lt;i&gt;Overall&lt;/i&gt; the crowds had a great attitude. Nothing came close to Los Angles 84 when Evander Holyfiedl was rightly disqaulified in a gold medal fight -the Americans were picking up and chucking chairs around.
And crowds do get boisterous. Its called &#039;passion.&#039; Coming from England, - you should be all too familiar with that. In fact the deservedly bad reputation of  British football fans has &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; to do with nationalism (as well as too much beer) - &#039;two world wars and one world cup do da do da....&quot; ....&#039;no surrendur to the IRA....&quot; ...&quot;if it wasn&#039;t for the English you&#039;d be Krauts...&quot; Come on Stuart you know the chants ...many a heck of a lot worse than that. Just loved the way your countrymen got a bit of a slap around by the Belgian cops in Euro2000.

Don&#039;t be a nitpicker. China&#039;s crowds were as well behaved, as gracioius as any other nation&#039;s that has ever held the games.

And why waste time discussing some highly unlikely hypothetical invasion that you believe China will carry out in the future.

Your motherland is right at this moment occupying other peoples land, having carried out an illegal invasion of a sovereign power and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart: get real. You are picking up on one or two things. <i>Overall</i> the crowds had a great attitude. Nothing came close to Los Angles 84 when Evander Holyfiedl was rightly disqaulified in a gold medal fight -the Americans were picking up and chucking chairs around.<br />
And crowds do get boisterous. Its called &#8216;passion.&#8217; Coming from England, &#8211; you should be all too familiar with that. In fact the deservedly bad reputation of  British football fans has <i>everything</i> to do with nationalism (as well as too much beer) &#8211; &#8216;two world wars and one world cup do da do da&#8230;.&#8221; &#8230;.&#8217;no surrendur to the IRA&#8230;.&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;if it wasn&#8217;t for the English you&#8217;d be Krauts&#8230;&#8221; Come on Stuart you know the chants &#8230;many a heck of a lot worse than that. Just loved the way your countrymen got a bit of a slap around by the Belgian cops in Euro2000.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a nitpicker. China&#8217;s crowds were as well behaved, as gracioius as any other nation&#8217;s that has ever held the games.</p>
<p>And why waste time discussing some highly unlikely hypothetical invasion that you believe China will carry out in the future.</p>
<p>Your motherland is right at this moment occupying other peoples land, having carried out an illegal invasion of a sovereign power and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.</p>
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