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		<title>By: Michael Arrington Hurt the Feelings of the European People</title>
		<link>http://foundinchina.com/2008/12/07/no-surrender-from-the-french/comment-page-1/#comment-2570</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington Hurt the Feelings of the European People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Europe and particularly France, were outraged by the Chinese choosing to screw the world economy by canceling an EU-China summit all because Sarkozy &#8220;hurt the Chinese people&#8217;s feelings.&#8221; We asked, isn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Europe and particularly France, were outraged by the Chinese choosing to screw the world economy by canceling an EU-China summit all because Sarkozy &#8220;hurt the Chinese people&#8217;s feelings.&#8221; We asked, isn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Secondly, the China’s foreign policy is Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.&quot;

China&#039;s stated foreign policy carries about as much weight as the Chinese constitution - just another meaningless document. 

So called non-interference is a lie, and anyone who thinks China won&#039;t be fighting a war in the next two decades is naive in the extreme.

&quot;Give you a video link, I guess you will be shocked.&quot;

I would be shocked to find a Chinese who is both aware and critical of the resentment that cheap Chinese imports and labour are causing in Africa, or of the prolonged suffering of people whose despotic governments are propped up by Beijing. 

&quot;But do not assume a result before you have done a investigation.&quot;

I&#039;m assuming nothing about Tibet. For one thing I&#039;ve been there and have spoken with Tibetans in their homeland and the monasteries of neighbouring provinces. 

Even if you had been there yourself (which I doubt) you would not be trusted enough by locals (as opposed to migrant businessmen) to hear their story. Tibetans are a subjugated people afraid of expressing their thoughts and beliefs openly for fear of arrest, beatings, or worse. 

I don&#039;t blame you for only having party propaganda as a source of reference on these issues, but I do blame educated Chinese for blindly believing what is placed before them knowing full well that their government so carefully controls all media output.

China won&#039;t be a responsible country until it can change the collective mindset that believes saving the nation&#039;s face comes before the truth. That mindset has been carefully cultivated by the CCP.

Currently, as we saw with Beijing&#039;s silly rhetorical knee-jerk response to Sarkozy, things are unlikely to change until the Chinese government grow up. 

That brings us back neatly to the topic, which is where comments should stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Secondly, the China’s foreign policy is Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.&#8221;</p>
<p>China&#8217;s stated foreign policy carries about as much weight as the Chinese constitution &#8211; just another meaningless document. </p>
<p>So called non-interference is a lie, and anyone who thinks China won&#8217;t be fighting a war in the next two decades is naive in the extreme.</p>
<p>&#8220;Give you a video link, I guess you will be shocked.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would be shocked to find a Chinese who is both aware and critical of the resentment that cheap Chinese imports and labour are causing in Africa, or of the prolonged suffering of people whose despotic governments are propped up by Beijing. </p>
<p>&#8220;But do not assume a result before you have done a investigation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming nothing about Tibet. For one thing I&#8217;ve been there and have spoken with Tibetans in their homeland and the monasteries of neighbouring provinces. </p>
<p>Even if you had been there yourself (which I doubt) you would not be trusted enough by locals (as opposed to migrant businessmen) to hear their story. Tibetans are a subjugated people afraid of expressing their thoughts and beliefs openly for fear of arrest, beatings, or worse. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you for only having party propaganda as a source of reference on these issues, but I do blame educated Chinese for blindly believing what is placed before them knowing full well that their government so carefully controls all media output.</p>
<p>China won&#8217;t be a responsible country until it can change the collective mindset that believes saving the nation&#8217;s face comes before the truth. That mindset has been carefully cultivated by the CCP.</p>
<p>Currently, as we saw with Beijing&#8217;s silly rhetorical knee-jerk response to Sarkozy, things are unlikely to change until the Chinese government grow up. </p>
<p>That brings us back neatly to the topic, which is where comments should stay.</p>
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		<title>By: hug</title>
		<link>http://foundinchina.com/2008/12/07/no-surrender-from-the-french/comment-page-1/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>hug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darwinism and Burma, China wants to help their people.
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Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darfur and Burma, China wants to help their people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darwinism and Burma, China wants to help their people.<br />
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A Correction:<br />
Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darfur and Burma, China wants to help their people.</p>
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		<title>By: hug</title>
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		<dc:creator>hug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. What they did was to make official their position that Tibet is part of Chinese territory. &quot;
What China needs just official position. Foreign countries&#039; position is important, but not indispensable.

&quot;And how many of those groups consider themselves, accept at gunpoint, to be Chinese?&quot;
I suggest you to do a investigation, if you really so curious. But do not assume a result before you have done a investigation. 

&quot;Further, and this is not universal, I have detected a sense of superiority among Han Chinese towards the minority groups and little by way of support for their causes.&quot; From your webpage, I know you are in Fujian. There are some She people live in Fujian. Chinese minorities have some privilages, do you know that? Do Fujian people talk about the relationship between She and Han? Is there ant tension between She and Han? I guess not. All people are just Chinese citizens,who care about that. When I was a college student in Hangzhou, I had a lot of minorities classmates, such Manchu, Hui, and She. No one care about that. When I was a PhD student in Dalian, I had a lot of minorities classmates, such Manchu, Hui, Dawoer, Monglians,Koreans ....(Actually I didn&#039;t know whether there were any other minorities, because it&#039;s not necessary to investigate that.) There are many more minorities in my wife&#039;s universities(Dalian and Shenyang). All people live peacefully. 

&quot;If Chinese people care about protecting Tibetan culture they can begin by stopping the petty propaganda forced down the throats of Tibet’s children. Then they can set about rebuilding the thousands of monasteries looted, destroyed, and infiltrated with spies since the occupation.&quot;
Again, Do not assume a result before you have done a investigation.If you have some evidences, you can post here, then maybe I can believe you. There are some bad things happened in Tibet, but do not always classify them to ethnic issues. Those happened everywhere. China is far from perfect. So be patient, step by step.

I will stop the discussion here, hope you enjoy China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. What they did was to make official their position that Tibet is part of Chinese territory. &#8221;<br />
What China needs just official position. Foreign countries&#8217; position is important, but not indispensable.</p>
<p>&#8220;And how many of those groups consider themselves, accept at gunpoint, to be Chinese?&#8221;<br />
I suggest you to do a investigation, if you really so curious. But do not assume a result before you have done a investigation. </p>
<p>&#8220;Further, and this is not universal, I have detected a sense of superiority among Han Chinese towards the minority groups and little by way of support for their causes.&#8221; From your webpage, I know you are in Fujian. There are some She people live in Fujian. Chinese minorities have some privilages, do you know that? Do Fujian people talk about the relationship between She and Han? Is there ant tension between She and Han? I guess not. All people are just Chinese citizens,who care about that. When I was a college student in Hangzhou, I had a lot of minorities classmates, such Manchu, Hui, and She. No one care about that. When I was a PhD student in Dalian, I had a lot of minorities classmates, such Manchu, Hui, Dawoer, Monglians,Koreans &#8230;.(Actually I didn&#8217;t know whether there were any other minorities, because it&#8217;s not necessary to investigate that.) There are many more minorities in my wife&#8217;s universities(Dalian and Shenyang). All people live peacefully. </p>
<p>&#8220;If Chinese people care about protecting Tibetan culture they can begin by stopping the petty propaganda forced down the throats of Tibet’s children. Then they can set about rebuilding the thousands of monasteries looted, destroyed, and infiltrated with spies since the occupation.&#8221;<br />
Again, Do not assume a result before you have done a investigation.If you have some evidences, you can post here, then maybe I can believe you. There are some bad things happened in Tibet, but do not always classify them to ethnic issues. Those happened everywhere. China is far from perfect. So be patient, step by step.</p>
<p>I will stop the discussion here, hope you enjoy China.</p>
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		<title>By: hug</title>
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		<dc:creator>hug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart---
You missed one thing, why PRC could obtain legal seat in the United Nations by replacing ROC? Because China supported the Africans and 

Asians to be independent from European powers. China helped them. So China could obtained the support from these 3rd world brothers.
About  Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, countless other questionable regimes, Firstly, I want to ask what the COUNTLESS other questionable regimes? 

Secondly, the China&#039;s foreign policy is Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Principles_of_Peaceful_Coexistence
This is a consistent policy. China does not want to interfere other countries&#039; policy.
Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darwinism and Burma, China wants to help their people.
Fourthly, do you know how many kids died due to the lack of food and medicine during the economic sanctions against Iraq? I mean the 

economic sanctions do no harm to the dictators, but do great harm to the poor people.

Since Iraq war, it&#039;s said 500,000 Iraq people died. But to the west, the 4000 US soldiers&#039; lives is more important. What a shame.

Give you a video link, I guess you will be shocked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZbp28696Q&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart&#8212;<br />
You missed one thing, why PRC could obtain legal seat in the United Nations by replacing ROC? Because China supported the Africans and </p>
<p>Asians to be independent from European powers. China helped them. So China could obtained the support from these 3rd world brothers.<br />
About  Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, countless other questionable regimes, Firstly, I want to ask what the COUNTLESS other questionable regimes? </p>
<p>Secondly, the China&#8217;s foreign policy is Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Principles_of_Peaceful_Coexistence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Principles_of_Peaceful_Coexistence</a><br />
This is a consistent policy. China does not want to interfere other countries&#8217; policy.<br />
Thirdly, China provided food and money to Darwinism and Burma, China wants to help their people.<br />
Fourthly, do you know how many kids died due to the lack of food and medicine during the economic sanctions against Iraq? I mean the </p>
<p>economic sanctions do no harm to the dictators, but do great harm to the poor people.</p>
<p>Since Iraq war, it&#8217;s said 500,000 Iraq people died. But to the west, the 4000 US soldiers&#8217; lives is more important. What a shame.</p>
<p>Give you a video link, I guess you will be shocked.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZbp28696Q&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZbp28696Q&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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